OhsM1
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GO MAGIC 2005: "A New Beginning"
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Oct 15, 2006 19:09:49 GMT -5
Post by OhsM1 on Oct 15, 2006 19:09:49 GMT -5
yeah i think it is ok to move on to another corps because they place better, besides saying that they are good because they "take advantage" of politics is not true, they work just as hard if not better than most corps to get where they are now. you think cavies have been this good forever, i dont think so....lets not be critical of other corps dude.
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OhsM1
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Oct 15, 2006 19:12:15 GMT -5
Post by OhsM1 on Oct 15, 2006 19:12:15 GMT -5
and no the best performers usually come from higher corps hense the higher score, just becuase u give it ur all doesnt mean that u are a good performer....its like saying that u go to see blast and u see someone is trying hard to play a high note but they mess up all the time...u dont thin k that person is a good performer because they try hard...u pay money to see them perform well just like the paying customores od DCI
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Oct 15, 2006 21:08:25 GMT -5
Post by MCHSSUDA on Oct 15, 2006 21:08:25 GMT -5
It's understandable to join a corps because they place better, however... There is no honor in being "Just another notch on the belt". Building up an underdog program and turning heads is what everyone will talk about. ..... removed by the Webmaster ..... In order for a corps to be successful, you must have returning members AND STAFF. ..... removed by the Webmaster ..... If you love a corps, then you will do anything to see it succeed. If the cavies win the next 10 years straight, I bet you the corps that beats them out on the 11th attempt will be more famous than the cavies themselves. ..... removed by the Webmaster
PSA- Sorry to pull out the personal burns, but I'm doing it just to make sure you all know how I feel about this. Anyone who marched with me knows I'm a douche bag, deal with it.
PPSS- The only difference is that I respect people who can make it through an entire season.
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Oct 15, 2006 22:48:32 GMT -5
Post by Noodles on Oct 15, 2006 22:48:32 GMT -5
Honestly Jared, not to sound mean, but the way that you are going about trying to help grow and nurture Magic is completely wrong... you're actually turning people off to the corps by attacking vets of the corps that have other opinions about DCI, it makes some people afraid of what they'd be returning to as far as attitude. Different thoughts should be respected, not condemned. I've marched an extra season than you and trust me when I say, I felt EXACTLY EXACTLY like you did after my first season. I was constantly telling people their beliefs were shallow and wrong and didn't realize until after my second season that they had some good points in their arguments for leaving. You already have many more vets committed to coming back next year than we did in '06. It was a much bigger shock for me when there was around 45-50 vets in '05 and less than 10 in '06. It's not just the kids and staff that need to keep returning either, you need the right kids and the right staff returning, ones who will work just as hard as if they were in a higher placing corps and not let things slip because in their mind it's "just Magic". Honestly, one of the best things Magic has going for it right now is it's buzz in the DCI media in general (div II in div I finals to div I finals corps to pirate show to 21st place to 20th to ), it's constantly being talked about. Once a spark sets in, the whole corps could DEFINITELY take off. But it has to be gone about the right way. Miss you all lots though... looking forward to finding out what's truly gonna happen with this corps. ~Sheri
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Oct 15, 2006 23:15:50 GMT -5
Post by MCHSSUDA on Oct 15, 2006 23:15:50 GMT -5
... removed by the Webmaster ... But seriously... We need vets. Peace.
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GuardBaby23
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There's always a little Magic on the field.........
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Oct 15, 2006 23:44:57 GMT -5
Post by GuardBaby23 on Oct 15, 2006 23:44:57 GMT -5
Yeah dude.....Jared...
Your talking to the '05 guard captain. I'd get your your story straight first, before you speak. And I'd keep your personal beefs off the message boards. It doesn't represent your corps well, no matter how bad you love 'em.
And as for the leaving thing... DCI is bigger than The Magic. It's bigger than any one corps. I hate when people say, "You're only going to get this family feeling with our corps." That's bull. You think your memories and experiences are any more important than someone who marched Boston or Mandarins or Cavies??? No, we love what we do because we do it with people who love it as much. We all have our reasons for marching or not marching and where we choose to do so. Yeah, some want that feeling of pride when you say "I marched the Cavaliers and got a ring." Who are you to knock that? That may not be why you march, but what gives you the right to judge others? I marched 2 years with Magic, and decided to leave because that's what I thought was best for me. I didn't leave to hurt the corps. I didn't leave because of bad experiences. I certainly didn't leave to "go march somewhere better." I left so I could grow as a performer, and I did. That doesn't mean '04 wasn't my favorite summer, or that I didn't give Bruce a hug every time I saw him this summer, or that I didn't scream louder for Magic than anyone around each night at retreat.
You need to check your high horse at the door bro. Good for you, for helping to build a program. That is something to be proud of and that is how good programs become great ones. BUT, it doesn't make you better than anybody else. Watch your attitude, because it's things like this that give people a reason not to return.
Good luck Magic 2007! Make 'em throw those babies!
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WaveMello
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Oct 15, 2006 23:45:16 GMT -5
Post by WaveMello on Oct 15, 2006 23:45:16 GMT -5
Dear Jared, I was a 2005 member of Magic. I went to high school with Matt Rummel, and he is one of the people I respect the most when it comes to drum corps. For all the crap that he has gone through, and all the seasons he saw at Magic...I look up to him. He knows what he's talking about. Heck, I wouldn't even know what DCI is because of him. As for your attack on people who have left Magic, Nicole makes some very valid points. You see, not all people will find the first corps they marched to feel like "home." It is possible to outgrow them, and that is one of the reasons why I chose not to return after the 2005 season. One of my favorite DCI articles of all time was written by a girl named Lanah Kopplin. Here's a link: dci.org/news/news.cfm?news_id=15acd31d-bf8b-4221-9061-2b7366424cd7She discusses the different reasons why people may leave a corps, and I've always kept it close to me when deciding where to march. You seem to feel that Magic is your home. For other people their home may be at Cavaliers, Cadets, Blue Devils, Phantom Regiment, Boston Crusaders, etc. When you have people that return that truly want to be there, that is a much better thing than people returning because they feel obligated to. Do you really want to march an entire season with a vet who keeps complaining about wanting to march at another xyz corps? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't. The point is that people have their reasons for leaving. They are not criminals. They do not wish for Magic to fall into oblivion. They simply want to march somewhere that they love. Marching one season or more at Magic has given them the experience to do so. One thing I know for sure, I don't want to see another drum corps go. - Michelle Magic Mello '05 Spirit Mello '06
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Oct 16, 2006 19:08:54 GMT -5
Post by Janice on Oct 16, 2006 19:08:54 GMT -5
I have removed portions of some of the posts in this thread. Folks are passionate about what they love and that's a good thing. But personal attacks are not acceptable. We all have to learn to change what we can, which is usually our own attitudes, habits, knowledge and skill and accept the rest.
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
Leading by example goes a lot farther than "yelling" at someone.
Janice Magic Webmaster
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Oct 17, 2006 15:27:47 GMT -5
Post by DrumMajorMatt on Oct 17, 2006 15:27:47 GMT -5
The issue of this thread has long since passed... The real question was... Is Magic moving, not, is it ok to march another corps.
Here is my take, not that you asked for it, but if you are reading this, you obiouvsly want to know...
There comes a time when individuals mature as people and change. Change is inevitable. Sometimes whent they grow, they outgrow there surroundings. For example, small town big dreams and so on. You can't always achieve everything you are capable of in your present surroundings, so you change things to make your dreams obtainable. Drum corps is no exception. There is NOTHING wrong with marching a Div III, Div II, or lower Div I class corps, but let's all be honest, Magic will not achieve the same things this coming year that the Cavaliers will. There is a lot that goes into these things that makes it so. Does that mean Magic is a "lesser" corps? No. Does that mean Magic is less talented? No. All that means is the individuals at one place may have a different take on what it is to perform a show. What it is to teach a show. Does that mean when they go to sleep at night they eat better food? Never. We eat the same food. We drink the same water. The difference is the mentality. There are people at the world championship corps that have outgrown certain phases in life. Just because Magic is in phase one and Cavies are in phase ten doesn't make them worthless. You can't get to phase ten without passing through phase one. You can't have a champion if they don't have a past. Does that mean Magic is a feeder? No. There have been times when Magic has been on top, in the middle, on the bottom. It simply means, the dynamics of a group determines when they move to the top, how they move to the top, and where they end up in relationship to the top. There is nothing wrong if an individual decides that his mentality is more like another organization than the one he/she is currently with. Some of my best friends have moved on from Magic. I MOVED ON FROM MAGIC. Did I follow through? No, but there are exceptions, complications, and reasons for everything. Does that mean I didn't love this corps? NO. Does that mean I'm a "traitor" or a "backstabber" NO. The fact that people get so bent out of shape about people leaving and wish for things that won't happen, brewing over issues that is out of their control is really a sign of maturity, or lack there of. Only stress about the things YOU CAN CONTROL. Make 2007 what it is with what you have. Obviously it'd be nice to pick up where you left off, but that's life. People change.
So, basically I just ramble, but in all fairness you all know I have a tendency to do that... SO keeping with my normal style, I'll always recap so you don't forget my point.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH OUTGROWING AN ORGANIZATION.
T H A T I S L I F E .
With much love to everyone I have ever marched with and the places you have ended up,
-The New Grandpa Magic
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Oct 17, 2006 17:41:12 GMT -5
Post by musiqrhino on Oct 17, 2006 17:41:12 GMT -5
There are two ways to have the biggest building in town, Build yours up . . or tear everyone elses down. The only problem with the latter is that your building is still the same Size.
People are different. they do this activity for different reasons. Its not for us to judge. Find peace with your decision of where to march and live your truth all summer. In the end . .. .its all for the love of the game. Everyone out there trying to live their truth and do the best they can.
Live love and learn.
Let the rest go . . itll kill you.
DMT
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Oct 18, 2006 0:22:40 GMT -5
Post by professorshwan on Oct 18, 2006 0:22:40 GMT -5
Apparently someone did not understand what i had said about being a good player... not every single person in a "top 12 corps" who is getting "high scores" are super human players... from marching 5 yrs i know people that have been terrible players.. people who cant even play a solo correctly in a "lower class" drum corps... but they are marching groups "high class groups"... I know for a fact you can try your hardest but some people are just not cut out for it.. I have had a few students who have gave every ounce they had and we not good at what they did........
and for those of you who havent marched in a different division let me give you a little realization on what its like... div 2/3 corps are family everyone knows and loves everyone... i can remember the days walking in with patriots the big bad div 2 corps seeing small div 3 corps with like 8 yr olds playing no when walk by them when they were warming up they could have had wandering eyes too see big guys walking by... but no i'v seen kids no matter what age stare anyone down...
not many people know it but i was honored to come from a drum corps family... my grand parents were two of many who helped bring this activity to the way it is... from boy scout troops, youth groups, American Legion and the VFW posts.. I have medals from the last 1930's early 40's from the national conventions when they taught drum corps... Drum Corps is an American Made Tradition filled with Honor and Dignity... just like in our semi- pro and professional sports; where is the Tradition in Drum Corps today... where is the young child in the stands dreaming... dreaming of being an astronaut, a baseball player, a Corpsman...
I have been fortunate enough to live an "American Dream"... I played baseball, Became an Eagle Scout, Dreamed into the stars, and looking back I marched 5 wonderful yrs of Drum Corps... so I ask all of you who read this please this one thread is tearing apart a drum corps or even the drum corps activity (even I fell victim of it) drum corps today is turning into sponsorship deals and MONEY and MONEY and MONEY just like our professional sports... like Mr. Tucker just Said "its all for the love of the game"... please arguing (which I Appologise for my part of arguments) is just going to keep feeding the fire and its not the right kind of fire we need... Drum Corps is one Tradition this country should not lose now that we are into the 21st century, and I ask those who are still marching try to follow a respectful path and dont get caught up in the "glammer" and "politics" and keep the tradition alive... I know as now going to be considered old I will try my hardest not to lose it... will you?
Shawn
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Oct 18, 2006 0:51:11 GMT -5
Post by mellomaurus on Oct 18, 2006 0:51:11 GMT -5
well if anything, i am remarking at how drum corps wins again. yeah, the activity is winning. why? because it has a bunch of people from all over the place having some seemingly heated debate over what appears to be the ideas behind marching magic repeatedly (building it up) versus "moving on" for personal gain...
but really it's a question of philosophy. of loyalty. a question of the self set aside for something greater. is there a right answer? is there a morally correct decision?
what does it mean to stay--are you fulfilling some unspoken duty to your "family"? what IS one's responsibility to the corps after a single season? or is it a matter of duty to oneself to go where your heart and mind are telling you to...? how many people march magic at this point, with the intention to remain their until ageout do us part?
i will admit it is hard to feel a sense of committment to a corps when the committment to the membership was not always felt during the actual season. i can't count what the staff did because we all know that staff are as disposable as members themselves...and we're not even talking from one season to the next--but a matter of months.
the biggest thing this corps is missing is a heart and soul. i think it had one once...or rather it still does, but it's in pieces, the biggest part may remain, but critical elelments are scattered throughout the most prestigious organizations in DCI. it may watch the magic hornline warmup to recall some fleeting memories, it may smile at the sight of the buses or complete strangers in member shirts around the parking lot. they may even be friends with current marching members, asking casually if certain traditions still exist. this heart is displaced, though, and what they were once a part of has fallen wayside to a new family, one that they may truly feel at home with.
who can fault these people? perhaps you can; you call it wrong, call it an abomination to what drum corps is really about, that's fine. everyone has the right to take from the activity what they will. surely no one can argue that dedication and steadfastness aren't some the pillars of a good corps member.
it doesn't change the reality, though. i've only marched one year at magic, and i know that the people who put points on the judges sheets, who cleaned housing sites, who endured terrible circumstances, who learned and took beatings from a world-class underappreciated staff, the people that threw water all over that field, who wore the purple and shako links for the year(s) they marched--ALL the people that came BEFORE ME and made this organization WHAT IT HAS EVER BEEN--they're now in the contra section at the cadets, they're third-year vets in the bluecoats mello line, they're the drum major AND the horn sergeant at the boston crusaders, hell, they ARE the boston crusaders. they're also marching cavaliers 'til they age-out, they're in the blue devils and mighty satisfied. these people are playing Georgia with the baby blue like they were born to, they're wearing a vanguard star proudly. they all share one thing in common: Magic.
those are my vets. judging by the elders of this corps, and the paths they took, what leads anyone who marches in this organization to believe they should do otherwise?
i'm just using logic, here. i won't condone or condemn what past vets have done, all i'm doing is stating facts. let's face it, magic doesn't operate like any other corps out there.
i'll tell you about it, and it'll free your soul, but
it's a lot like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll.
joy, love, peace--and until i get the copyrights to Imagine--chaos, maureen
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Oct 19, 2006 0:20:24 GMT -5
Post by tylerama on Oct 19, 2006 0:20:24 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Shawn put this on a different thread. And everyone is talking aboot the future of Magic. Well if I was a kid eagerly waiting for auditions, thinking of which corps to join (I have and am this kid still) I would go to each corps page, do my research, and for sure I'd be checking out message boards. Reading this is something that'd discourage me from going out for Magic, there goes another prospective member and potentially great player. So keep that in the back of your head when you post. I'm not saying surpress your opinions, but try not to make things seem like it's all aboot attacking Magic.
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Oct 19, 2006 15:07:56 GMT -5
Post by MCHSSUDA on Oct 19, 2006 15:07:56 GMT -5
Well then, to all the people out there who read this thread and are looking to join magic, consider this. Last year, the corps has under ten vets. For 07, we've already had 40 vets RSVP saying that they are coming back.
Competition to make a spot with Magic will be more intense this year, and I'm confident that we'll move up in placement.
No offense to anyone, but if you're looking to march Magic as a "Training Corps" your more than welcome to auditions but I wouldn't expect a spot on the field. What I was trying to do was to shed light on the fact that IF everyone kept using magic as a training ground, then it would stay where it is in placement for the rest of time.
Obviously I can't force anyone to stay with the Magic, but Magic is a worthwhile corps. Whether or not anyone admits it, Magic is a very much talked about corps. Not in so much of a negative light, but we had a lot of publicity. 02, 03 finalist. 04 Crowd Favorite. 05 Brassline with a quarterfinals score of 17.9. 06 a great show. Member's need a spark, and the crowd will be right behind us.
I think I speak for all of the 39 other vet's coming back when I say that we still are pissed off and have something to prove. So if anyone wants to shock the crap out of DCI, then by all means March Magic.
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Oct 19, 2006 23:33:43 GMT -5
Post by Noodles on Oct 19, 2006 23:33:43 GMT -5
Beautiful Jared! Simply beautiful!
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